Dark Souls 3 Is Apinacle Of Boring Game Design

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DS3 is great, but nowhere near as good as Bloodborne.

Dark Souls III is a great Souls game, probably the best all-in-one game to play if you only play one Souls title. But as a capstone to the series, it's half new content and half lore/fanbase pandering. Cameo after cameo of bosses that are similar to previous bosses but with a Twist.

Bloodborne defined the early lifespan of the PS4 for me. I continue to replay it while I haven't touched Ds3 in years, nor have I touched the DLC. Weapons have better movesets compared to Souls and enemies are more interesting, especially in one-on-one battles.

(umbasa to the best FROM game of the gen, Sekiro).

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Bloodborne for me.....both Bloodborne and Sekiro are my favourite FROM games.

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i have both, love both, BB is gonna win, but i'm gonna vote Dark Souls III becasue of replay value and great pc version.

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Thats a hard one for me but ill give the edge to bloodborne because i hate cathedral of the deep.

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Lol, first against sekiro, then against dark souls.
Sure this "tournament" is very weird.

Only one winner here: Bloodborne

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BB easy

I play through BB once a year, at least. I try to pick DS3 up now and then, but it just never holds me like BB does. It's pure magic.

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Bloodborne is game of the generation.

Sony boys will be pressing Bloodborne so hard here

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Bloodborne, but DS3 is fucking phenomenal.

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I can't vote yet but obviously bloodborne

Dark Souls III in a vacuum is a fine game, but coming from all the predecessors it's clear the design by committee focused on cheap fan service, resulting in a game without any originality.

Bloodborne is a contender for the GOAT, the comparison is insulting.

Please...

BLOOD
FUKING
BORNE

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I know it's hopeless, but I loved Dark Souls 3 and bounced off Bloodborne. I'm a sword-n-board guy: I find circling an enemy trying to gain the advantage makes for really interesting combat, in spite of From's attempts to "fix" it. Also the variety of fantasy settings seen in any Souls game interest me more then the (still very well executed) gothic scenery of Bloodborne.

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Bloodborne is good but not as good as Dark Souls 3

( old quote from some poster on IGN)

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Bloodborne easily.

Dark Souls 3 was a fantastic game but it's the less original from all the Souls series. It felt more like a best of and the blatant fan service often felt very cringey to veterans of the series. Bloodborne on the other hand was incredibly unique and simply one of the best games of all time.

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Bloodborne.

I was filtered by Lady Maria tho, gotta finish that DLC some day.

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Base game

Bloodborne > Dark Souls 3

DLC

Dark Souls 3 > Bloodborne

The Ringed City is one of the best DLC ever seen

Imagine Dark Souls 2 going up against Bloodborne in here and DS2 winning. I've a feeling there's some sick cunts in here that'd do that.

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Imagine Dark Souls 2 going up against Bloodborne in here and DS2 winning. I've a feeling there's some sick cunts in here that'd do that.

For me it's:
Demon's Souls>Bloodborne>Dark Souls>Dark Souls 2>Dark Souls 3

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Imagine Dark Souls 2 going up against Bloodborne in here and DS2 winning. I've a feeling there's some sick cunts in here that'd do that.

Because this is game of generation so DS2 isnt an option

DS2 came out on PS3

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hard choice. While I think DS3 is worse in the trilogy... with DLC it is amazing.
Bloodborne is in a league of it's own when it comes to straight forward action, skill and atmosphere though. It kinda falls off in the 2nd half and generally lacks customization and variety but it's so good it has to get my vote... and probably should win gotg. All from games are incredible and are just the best games.
Dark Souls 2 came out this gen right?(sotfs did but vanilla is better imo) Where is the voting for that !!!

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You guys are out of your frickin minds.
DS3 has more weapons, better customization, better magic system, better DLC and does not have the absolutely terrible cookie cutter dungeon crawl crap that you HAVE to do in order to get upgrades for certain weapons.

The only thing bloodborne has going for it is the bosses are more creative and the environment is arguably more unique

If you loved making a unique build on DS games, bloodborne all but strips that ability away from the player. The armor is boring, the magic is almost non existant and useless, you get a handful of weapons that morph into different weapons?
DS3 has a metric ton of weapons and armor to create your on unique build. Bloodborne is for DS players who couldnt cut it in the other souls games. Filthy casuals

Because this is game of generation so DS2 isnt an option
DS2 came out on PS3

I was thinking maybe SOTFS might be in the list somewhere. That's good to know now I can sleep happy tonight.

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Played both but BB got much darker atmosphere.

You guys are out of your frickin minds.
DS3 has more weapons, better customization, better magic system, better DLC and does not have the absolutely terrible cookie cutter dungeon crawl crap that you HAVE to do in order to get upgrades for certain weapons.

Then why not play Skyrim instead of Dark Souls 3? The lure of the combat system has always been an equal part of this franchise. If you like all the loot, good for you, but there are combat junkies, speedrunners, and pvp players who all get different stuff out of the franchise.

The only thing bloodborne has going for it is the bosses are more creative and the environment is arguably more unique
If you loved making a unique build on DS games, bloodborne all but strips that ability away from the player. The armor is boring, the magic is almost non existant and useless, you get a handful of weapons that morph into different weapons?
DS3 has a metric ton of weapons and armor to create your on unique build. Bloodborne is for DS players who couldnt cut it in the other souls games. Filthy casuals

Bloodborne's build variety is an example of "less is more". Fewer overall weapons, fewer armor sets (and the armor is less potent), fewer offhand items, but a lot of variety on how all of those are used.

"Muh build variety" remains the most obnoxious complaint in the franchise and I've been playing since Demon's.

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Then why not play Skyrim instead of Dark Souls 3? The lure of the combat system has always been an equal part of this franchise. If you like all the loot, good for you, but there are combat junkies, speedrunners, and pvp players who all get different stuff out of the franchise.
Bloodborne's build variety is an example of "less is more". Fewer overall weapons, fewer armor sets (and the armor is less potent), fewer offhand items, but a lot of variety on how all of those are used.

"Muh build variety" remains the most obnoxious complaint in the franchise and I've been playing since Demon's.

Skyrim is not part of this discussion, thats why.

You would have to explain how this "less is more" claim actually plays out in the game. The build variety literally equals replayability. You wanna talk pvp? How about not having an arena mode and dont get me started on the bell maiden mechanic. You take part of the danger out of the world by allowing players to kill the bell maiden, effictively making them immune to invasions. Thats horse shit. Like i said bloodborne is for casuals who think sekiro should have had an easy mode.

The entire draw of the souls games is the difficulty, yet you are giving players options? I was pissed when they started allowing voice chat, and they kept getting softer ever since DS2

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DS3 is fine, but the whole thing is a rehash of the first game, leaning way too much on nostalgia, with very, very little that was new or exceptional.

Bloodborne features the most original storytelling of the generation, matched with a robust and exciting combat system, and an art style that is totally unique and fresh. All within From Software's incredible games design.

Bloodborne IS the game of the generation, whatever this poll ends up saying.

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I like bith games. This is a tough one.

Skyrim is not part of this discussion, thats why.

What I'm getting at is that MUHHH BUILD VARIETY is just one part of the franchise. If you're playing it for build variety, you should probably pick a more traditional RPG series where that is the focus.

Bloodborne has at least a dozen distinct "builds" based on the main weapon, to say nothing of the nuance that can be added with offhand weapons/items or certain runes. How many Bloodborne builds have you tried? How many Dark Souls 3 builds have you tried? If it is less than 10, then you aren't scratching the build-variety ceiling on either game.

After a certain threshold, build variety is like having a lot of planets in No Man's Sky. It's cool in the marketing blurb and it's brain-tickling to imagine all the possibilities, but at the end of the day are you using even a fraction of that "build variety"?

5 different short-swords doesn't improve the enemy AI, though. 15 different armors doesn't resolve the dependency on backstab fishing. 10 different Faith spells doesn't make Anor Londo 2.0 any more interesting.

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ds3 requires more praise. Looks amazing at 4k60 too. Wish we could play BB this way oh god

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I voted Dark Souls 3, and also voted for it over Sekiro. All 3 are great games though.

Dark Souls is still the better game because the weapon variety is huge, the health system is better, the magic system is better, the online play system is better, the load times are better, the ranged weapons are better.

I loved Bloodborne, but not being able to block, and having to use the shot counter force you into a more limited playstyle. My same criticism of Sekiro as well. I wouldn't be upset if any of those 3 win though.

Glad to see that most people people in this thread realize Bloodborne is leaps and bounds above Dark Souls 3.

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Dark Souls 3 is fantastic, and IMO the pinnacle of Soulsborne from a gameplay perspective. I prefer all the build variety it offers to Bloodbornes dex and dodging focus. It also has better PVP.

That said, Bloodborne is the perfect storm of gameplay, setting/world design, presentation, and lore. It's my personal game of the gen, and is IMO the closest a video game has come to perfection.

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What I'm getting at is that MUHHH BUILD VARIETY is just one part of the franchise. If you're playing it for build variety, you should probably pick a more traditional RPG series where that is the focus.
Bloodborne has at least a dozen distinct "builds" based on the main weapon, to say nothing of the nuance that can be added with offhand weapons/items or certain runes. How many Bloodborne builds have you tried? How many Dark Souls 3 builds have you tried? If it is less than 10, then you aren't scratching the build-variety ceiling on either game.

After a certain threshold, build variety is like having a lot of planets in No Man's Sky. It's cool in the marketing blurb and it's brain-tickling to imagine all the possibilities, but at the end of the day are you using even a fraction of that "build variety"?

5 different short-swords doesn't improve the enemy AI, though. 15 different armors doesn't resolve the dependency on backstab fishing. 10 different Faith spells doesn't make Anor Londo 2.0 any more interesting.

The AI is the same in both games. The AI was never the dangerous part of any souls game. The level design is. You can fish for visceral attacks in bloodborne just like you fish for backstabs in any of the ds games. The dangerous part of the games came from the ability of the game to force players to learn patterns and adapt on the fly to unknown circumstanes. The danger came from the ever present threat of going through an area and being invaded. This is what made the original demons souls unique. So they put options in the game to limit that. Fuck that

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Glad to see that most people people in this thread realize Bloodborne is leaps and bounds above Dark Souls 3.

ds3 is more playable and kinda a better game. But BB is more unique, polished and just something new

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Bloodborne is the best Souls game, easy win

The AI is the same in both games. The AI was never the dangerous part of any souls game. The level design is. You can fish for visceral attacks in bloodborne just like you fish for backstabs in any of the ds games. The dangerous part of the games came from the ability of the game to force players to learn patterns and adapt on the fly to unknown circumstanes. The danger came from the ever present threat of going through an area and being invaded. This is what made the original demons souls unique. So they put options in the game to limit that. Fuck that

Nah, I played the games with and without invaders. You enjoyed Grind To Git Gud 3 instead of Git Gud: Remix. Our opinions differ because we fundamentally get different things out of these games. The long slog of increasing stats, the patient chipping away at an enemy, the circling circling circling, the stamina usage, etc were all things stood between me and the combat. I didn't mind the slog, either, I just recognize DS as the more RPG Souls game and Bloodborne/Sekiro as the more action spinoffs. Since I am liking action more and RPG slog less, the long list of "builds" is more or less meaningless to me, taken alone.

Is this the most overwhelming win so far?

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I hate Bloodborne with a passion, but I still have to play DSIII, so I'll sit this one out.
Anyway, Bloodborne will win this easily.

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I hate Bloodborne with a passion, but I still have to play DSIII, so I'll sit this one out.
Anyway, Bloodborne will win this easily.

Have you played previous Dark Souls games (especially 1, 3 ties into it a lot lore wise so that will make 3 even better)? I think that'll be a good metric for whether or not you'll enjoy 3. It's a bigger and better version (though most DS fans consider DS1 to be better in world building/lore since it's more original, I enjoyed 3 over it).

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Is this the most overwhelming win so far?

Not yet, but it's close.

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